a few of the carbs and parts, all clean as well....
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Saturday 29 June 2013
Well spent the better part of today chasing down the cause of the issue.....
Carb were removed, broken down, cleaned inspected, float level double checked, carb cleaner blow throughout, and in the end, found=n absolutely nothing wrong with them, clean as a whistle, another 1/2 hour putting them back in, lots of cursing, some bent to heck clamps that had to be straightened back out, but we got them back in.
Put back in the battery holder, vent tubes, wires and so on, hooked up the IV bottle for our gas supply, and tried to start the bike, she just craned and cranked and no start, got the battery charger out, got the spare car battery and still it wouldn't start, double checked the wiring, and bammm found the positive lead for the relay for the coil relay mod was missed and not hooked up, well without it no power to the coils and that means no spark, duhhh it certainly wouldn't start that way...
Hooked up the wire, now we checked for spark, on #4 cylinder and we have spark...
once again we hook up gas and push the start button, but still it would not start....
what the heck is going on
no matter, choke, no choke, throttle, cranking or not, she will not start, almost catches but just will not run
so we go to the spark plug leads, #4,3,2 have spark but nothing at all on #1, not even a hint of a spark, trimmed the lead, new plug, swapped out plugs, but no spark on #1 at all.....
no start, just turns over and over and no start at all....
finally gave up, figure it's now a coil, for the number 1 cylinder, but hey it ran before on 3 of them, now it will not, bummer....
went and had a late lunch, pizza, beer, Cuban cigar, some Slivovica, and called it a day....
So I now know I do need a coil, even though it don't explain why it will not run anymore, but since only 3 plugs are sparking and the #1 is not, I guess it's time for new coils, or at least some used ones, but ones that are working, just so I can try and see if the bike will start, I really don't want to buy new coils and the bike will still not run, I am not throwing good money after bad......
so on the hunt for good working coils, before I purchase new ones,,,,,,
I have put a parts wanted request for coils.....hopefully I can get some soon....
so the bike sits on the car jack stands waiting on coils now....
Carb were removed, broken down, cleaned inspected, float level double checked, carb cleaner blow throughout, and in the end, found=n absolutely nothing wrong with them, clean as a whistle, another 1/2 hour putting them back in, lots of cursing, some bent to heck clamps that had to be straightened back out, but we got them back in.
Put back in the battery holder, vent tubes, wires and so on, hooked up the IV bottle for our gas supply, and tried to start the bike, she just craned and cranked and no start, got the battery charger out, got the spare car battery and still it wouldn't start, double checked the wiring, and bammm found the positive lead for the relay for the coil relay mod was missed and not hooked up, well without it no power to the coils and that means no spark, duhhh it certainly wouldn't start that way...
Hooked up the wire, now we checked for spark, on #4 cylinder and we have spark...
once again we hook up gas and push the start button, but still it would not start....
what the heck is going on
no matter, choke, no choke, throttle, cranking or not, she will not start, almost catches but just will not run
so we go to the spark plug leads, #4,3,2 have spark but nothing at all on #1, not even a hint of a spark, trimmed the lead, new plug, swapped out plugs, but no spark on #1 at all.....
no start, just turns over and over and no start at all....
finally gave up, figure it's now a coil, for the number 1 cylinder, but hey it ran before on 3 of them, now it will not, bummer....
went and had a late lunch, pizza, beer, Cuban cigar, some Slivovica, and called it a day....
So I now know I do need a coil, even though it don't explain why it will not run anymore, but since only 3 plugs are sparking and the #1 is not, I guess it's time for new coils, or at least some used ones, but ones that are working, just so I can try and see if the bike will start, I really don't want to buy new coils and the bike will still not run, I am not throwing good money after bad......
so on the hunt for good working coils, before I purchase new ones,,,,,,
I have put a parts wanted request for coils.....hopefully I can get some soon....
so the bike sits on the car jack stands waiting on coils now....
Well it's getting worse and not better......
This morning was a no go.....
put key in, turned to on position, and hit the start button, cranks and cranks and almost started, then it did for a bit, then it died, then it wouldn't start, full choke, no throttle, cranked and cranked, fired up for a bit, enough to get it back into the garage, parked it, turned it off, and took the son's car to work.....
#%$#$@%^@#$% %#@$%@#$%#@ @%$#@%@#$%@
where is the nearest dump.........
@#%$@#%$# @#%$ %$#%#@$^
can't wait for the weekend so I can spend my day's wrenching....
time to buy a new bike, or at least one that is no more than 5-8 years old....
This morning was a no go.....
put key in, turned to on position, and hit the start button, cranks and cranks and almost started, then it did for a bit, then it died, then it wouldn't start, full choke, no throttle, cranked and cranked, fired up for a bit, enough to get it back into the garage, parked it, turned it off, and took the son's car to work.....
#%$#$@%^@#$% %#@$%@#$%#@ @%$#@%@#$%@
where is the nearest dump.........
@#%$@#%$# @#%$ %$#%#@$^
can't wait for the weekend so I can spend my day's wrenching....
time to buy a new bike, or at least one that is no more than 5-8 years old....
Well.....
I went to the garage to see what I can see on the bike. I removed the drain plug on the #1 carb, lots of gas poured out, and all nice and clean, so no crap in there. I then started up the bike and let it run for a bit, #2,3,4 exhaust pipes got nice and hot, #1 not so much, nice and cold, so I got the screwdriver and tapped around the carb bodies, removed the wire to the number one plug and put it back on a few times, and idle dropped and raised, and I revved and poked and prodded, and after a bit the #1 pipe started getting hot, and hotter, and so on...
After a bit it was almost hot to touch, but not as hot as the other 3......so there is a problem.....
one thing to note, once it was hot and seemed to be running, I saw less and less of the smoke out of the exhaust, but the only thing I still don't like is that it's not as hot as the other 3......
something is not right, question is what.....
I don't think its a sync issue, but possibly crap in the carbs, what a pain that would be, as with these bikes it's not the easiest to get the carbs out and back in.....
I don't want to go down this road, but it seems I just might have to.....
I went to the garage to see what I can see on the bike. I removed the drain plug on the #1 carb, lots of gas poured out, and all nice and clean, so no crap in there. I then started up the bike and let it run for a bit, #2,3,4 exhaust pipes got nice and hot, #1 not so much, nice and cold, so I got the screwdriver and tapped around the carb bodies, removed the wire to the number one plug and put it back on a few times, and idle dropped and raised, and I revved and poked and prodded, and after a bit the #1 pipe started getting hot, and hotter, and so on...
After a bit it was almost hot to touch, but not as hot as the other 3......so there is a problem.....
one thing to note, once it was hot and seemed to be running, I saw less and less of the smoke out of the exhaust, but the only thing I still don't like is that it's not as hot as the other 3......
something is not right, question is what.....
I don't think its a sync issue, but possibly crap in the carbs, what a pain that would be, as with these bikes it's not the easiest to get the carbs out and back in.....
I don't want to go down this road, but it seems I just might have to.....
Well, so far it's going like this...
Went for lunch started the bike up, some smoke but not a lot, not as much as yesterday, but more than before the oil change.
So I possibly had a bit too much in there, now looking at the sight glass, even with the bike running, it's more or less in the middle, this is a good thing.
But I am now finding the bike is being a pain in the arse to stay at idle more so than it used to be in the past.....
I think
a) it's time to redo the motor, seals, rings, etc....
or
b) get rid of the bike, with full disclosure, and purchase something newer.....
I like the old girl, but the thought of wrenching on her again, I am really not that much in love with her.....
sigh.........
Went for lunch started the bike up, some smoke but not a lot, not as much as yesterday, but more than before the oil change.
So I possibly had a bit too much in there, now looking at the sight glass, even with the bike running, it's more or less in the middle, this is a good thing.
But I am now finding the bike is being a pain in the arse to stay at idle more so than it used to be in the past.....
I think
a) it's time to redo the motor, seals, rings, etc....
or
b) get rid of the bike, with full disclosure, and purchase something newer.....
I like the old girl, but the thought of wrenching on her again, I am really not that much in love with her.....
sigh.........
Sunday I changed the oil in the bike, and the oil filter as well....
Some dripped onto the wrapped header and is now smoking like a SOB, but that is not my concern, what is my concern is the blue and white smoke now coming out of the exhaust pipe, mostly on initial start up, goes away but not fully after a good warm up, revving the engine will produce more of the smoke until warmed up,,,, but I think I need to be concerned and I think I need to do something but what ? new rings ? do I need to pull the whole engine out to do this ?
This engine has never been pulled apart, it has had small leaks, but nothing major, and now I am seeing more and more oil weeping near the top left portion of the engine at the top cooling fin.
Am I in for an engine rebuild this winter ? Ohhhhh I hope not...
Some dripped onto the wrapped header and is now smoking like a SOB, but that is not my concern, what is my concern is the blue and white smoke now coming out of the exhaust pipe, mostly on initial start up, goes away but not fully after a good warm up, revving the engine will produce more of the smoke until warmed up,,,, but I think I need to be concerned and I think I need to do something but what ? new rings ? do I need to pull the whole engine out to do this ?
This engine has never been pulled apart, it has had small leaks, but nothing major, and now I am seeing more and more oil weeping near the top left portion of the engine at the top cooling fin.
Am I in for an engine rebuild this winter ? Ohhhhh I hope not...
Friday 14 June 2013
Finally....
Well I finally went out for a longer ride than just the daily commute to work and back, stopped off at one of my favorite spots to take a few pictures, and even had a buddy out on his first ride with his new to him CB600RR, it was his first time out, he just got the bike and his license not more than a week ago...
we were out for about an hour and a half.....I still need to figure out why my bike won't idle and I noticed as it got warmer and at normal temperature it was struggling more in keeping idle, but that is for another thread...
here are a few pictures....
sorry they are off of my phone...
Well I finally went out for a longer ride than just the daily commute to work and back, stopped off at one of my favorite spots to take a few pictures, and even had a buddy out on his first ride with his new to him CB600RR, it was his first time out, he just got the bike and his license not more than a week ago...
we were out for about an hour and a half.....I still need to figure out why my bike won't idle and I noticed as it got warmer and at normal temperature it was struggling more in keeping idle, but that is for another thread...
here are a few pictures....
sorry they are off of my phone...
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